More Murano

[RStocker]

These are some of my collection. These three sit in one of my powder rooms. I love the chicken. My mom got if from an artist friend around 1960. This piece had a Murano lable but that came off so many years ago I have no clue what it said. Any information would be helpfull on this piece. The dog is Salvati from the 1950's I have seen it on other sites as well as with a lable. Most are brown and plane. The fish is about the same vintage but I have no idea who made it. Sorry about the bad pictue of the dog. I must have moved. LOL I am going to have surgery on my hand next week. I have an excuse. LOL

[RStocker]

I see the finger prints show up and the reflection of a sgned hand done picture of Surley Temple Black that is hung above my drafting table. It is upside down in the chicken. The pictue has 3 poses of her as a child. The artis just passed away but was a renound artist. It was one of my junk find. LOL I have a 40 inch screen TV above that. Can't miss sports when I am workning you kow. LOL

When I clean some of the china cabinest I will post pictures of some beautiful old Venetian glass. I never considered myself as saving Murano glass but going through this house I found over 30 pieces I know there is more at my home in Indiana and at my condo on the California coast. I have a collection by default. I collect American art glass and what I think is worth saving or get dirt cheap. LOL I give a lot of it to my daughters and daughter inlaws. There is always a line up for what I find. LOL

[Jurgen]

Hi all.............The sommerso rooster could be from any glass house, after all, everybody did sommerso's! And everybody that owns a sommerso, wishes it was made by Cenedese. As for the dog (and he is blurry), I think I have one from the same litter! My sister bought us a Murano dog from an antique mall some time in the late 80's. I don't believe either of our dogs were made by Salviati! I think they are tourist glass dogs made some time in the 60's or 70's. As for the fish, he doesn't ring a bell for me. He looks too new to me! Maybe he didn't start swimming till after the 80's...............Jerry

[TxSilver]

I have had a couple of fat doves that are very much like your rooster. Mine did not have labels and I haven't been able to locate any like them that have labels. To me, they look like they were done by Seguso VA or Salviati, but I was never completely confident. I think your rooster was done by the same company -- very similar and the colors are the same as one of mine. My dove was uranium glass, which was surprising because the color of the outer glass looked like yours. Have you tried yours under UV. Mine didn't radiate as strongly as Cenedese pieces do, but the glow was strong enough to let me know something was there.

I wonder if there is another pigment that glows yellow-green like uranium, but is not the vaseline color.

[RStocker]

Originally Posted by Jurgen

Hi all.............The sommerso rooster could be from any glass house, after all, everybody did sommerso's! And everybody that owns a sommerso, wishes it was made by Cenedese. As for the dog (and he is blurry), I think I have one from the same litter! My sister bought us a Murano dog from an antique mall some time in the late 80's. I don't believe either of our dogs were made by Salviati! I think they are tourist glass dogs made some time in the 60's or 70's. As for the fish, he doesn't ring a bell for me. He looks too new to me! Maybe he didn't start swimming till after the 80's...............Jerry

I have seen dogs like mine that are closer than yours. I am sure I am right about the maker. It is out of the 50's. I have one at my condo that is very close but differnt colour with a makers sticker.

Now this is going to supprise you. I have had the fish for 30 years and I got if form an estate. I knew the party and they had hid for at least 15 years before that. It is not new that is for sure. I will give it at least 45 years in age. I have seen it for that long.

The rooster is a fantastic pice of art. I have always liked it. It makes no mind to me who made it. I will never sell moms piece and I like it to well to sell I have seen other piece with the same quality and colour of glass but differnt form. The rooster is almost 50 years old.

It would be nice if every glass maker took a picture of his work so we all would know who made what. Then agin I think more importance is put on who made things sometimes than the quality and merits. A good pice is a good pice any day. Just like art. Some art that people go nuts over is pure crap. Just depends what galery you end up in. Kinkade drives me nuts. I would not hang it in my out house but then again it is worth so much. I am almost finished with my mastes in art and it has me guessing.

Thanks for your opinions. I know the fish looks new but I know better. LOL

[Jurgen]

Hi Richard..........Yes, I would be surprised if your fish were 45 years old, but don't take it personally!! I only have this mistrustful or sinnical view because I've be friended so many antique dealers over the many years of collecting. Infact, there's an antique dealer two blocks from my house that I see on a regular basis. (He restores old lamps and other lighting out of the back of his antique store) So I know how the trade works!! And yes, I have never met an antique dealer or flea vender that doen't enhance a story to sell something to someone else. One sentence at a time, always ready to set the hook! And I don't find too much wrong with that, after all a person should know what they are buying and only buy what they truely like! (Maybe that's why my wife shopped so many gift shops?!) Besides, how else could most of us persue our hobby! Many of my dealer friends won't sell to me because I don't like paying much more than they did. If they call me,it's because they got something on the cheap or it's special or it's going to be a fast turn over! So when I see a fish like yours with a period tag, I will truely be surpised! In fact, I will make it a Cognac moment! Maybe I would think differently if I had the glass in hand?! Or it could be that I'm not really into fish, unless they're catch and eat! Oh, and by the way, my sister lived in San Diego for 16 years. Everytime I was down there in the 70's and 80's, I never ever found anything cheap!! What gives??!!.............No offense intended!!.....................Jerry

[RStocker]

Very little is cheap in the antique or thirft shops here in California. SD gets millions of visitors and people buying.
Most people do not have a clue to value. They see it they like it they buy it. I think I posted that a thrift shop owner sells things for more then they cost new. I have stood there and seen it myself. California has a lot of money. I am out on the way to Palm Springs which is 45 mile east and LA is 65 miles west. I is wall to wall people I can get 3 times for things in LA than I can out here. It depends on the location. Big cities always get more for things. Chicago is a great example All the top end items end up in Chicago and NY.

As for antique dealers most have no clue. I see so many things miss marked. I have not had a shop in over 20 years My dagher has a shop in Indiana on my farm. I sell a few things a year here but most everything is packed up and sent back there.

As for the fish, my family can tell you that the fish has been on the same bathroom counter top for the past 25 years I have owned this house for 31 years And yes I did buy it from an old family friends estate out here. All my parents friends moved out here when they retired The woman had the fish in her home in Detroit in the late 60's
You might be supprised but that is the truth. She might of had it longer than that. That is my first memory of it. She had great collections. I did get some very nice pieces from her as a gift. I don't do much collecting any more. I have 4 residences and they are all full. I am an architect and do comercial work when I want but play most of he time. The only thing I realy collect are tools

You are right things are over priced out here but than so are homes, cars and everthing else. Someone needs to support all the illegals here with their tax dollars LOL The free market is working. Supply and demand. Then agai 95% of all the antique dealers go out of business here. LOL

I know all about people wanting to hear a good story about what they are buying. People are funny. Dealers never take the time to learn about what they are selling. Years ago they did but anymore they have no clue.

I go junking because I deal with paintings. I have made a lot of money through the years. I have found many great paintings I keep looking but they are hard to find. I find a half dozen or so good ones evey year. I like glass and have a fantastic collection. I am going to give my son the fish I found. I have those cheap pieces sitting in the bath room because one of my grand sons liked them when he was little so I put them in the bath he used. They have been there ever sense. I never have made up stories to sell things When people have asked I tell them I know nothing about where the piece has been. I have had fruniture form the movie studio's with their inventory marks and year on the bottom. We get a lot of that out here or at least we did. I had a table from Moscow on the Hudson and I gave my son a set of cahirs form arond 1840 that were from a studio in the earl 40's. The table had it written on the bottom.

What can I say California is expensive yet there are some fantastic deals here My Victorian furniture all goes back to my daughter. She gets 3 times for it what I can. I have a friend who's son works for one of the big auction houses. If I find an American period piece of furniture he ships it to the east coast. There is no market for it here. Deco items sell well here. The country is broken up into its own sections. Culture and way of life make a difference in what sells well.

No offence taken. The fish has been around almsot a half century that I know off and mabe longer. No argument that it looks newer. If you go back to modern furniture styles of the 1920's you will find things that you thought were new today. Manifactures are still making copies.

I was a tool and die maker and have worked for GM, Boeing and the US Navy. I had a contractors lisence all those years as well as a farm. At 41 I went back to collage and received a degree in Architecture I have owned a number of different businesses through the years. I own comercial property and a farm. I never have made my living in the antique bsiness. I have made a lot of mony buying an selling estates. I hire out the sales to different auctions houses I keep the best items because I can get more for them by selling direct to dealers. I made money with my antique mall because I owned the building. I made the money on space rentals. The fee I charged for selling paid the help.

I don't claim to know much about the antique business. There is so much that no one can know it all. I am supprised at what people buy. Then again so is my wife. LOL It drives her nuts. LOL

The fish might not even be Maurno but I have seen others years ago with stickers. My parents traveled all over the US and Canada when I was young. They stopped at the antique shops all the time. That is where I got the bug. LOL I am a true Junky

[RStocker]

One more note on the fish.
It is hollow and my grand son used it as a tooth brush holder and it still needs washing out inside. I will clean it today. LOL My wife is 10 years older than myself. It is her garndson but in this house there is no difference. He is now 24 years old. The fish still is on the counter because when he comes he still puts his tooth bursh in it. I think I will give it to him the next time he comes.

The fish has much better quality glass than the fish form China. Not even close